tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post8531250775613924155..comments2024-03-15T20:15:34.428+13:00Comments on ξενος: Irreducible Complexity and the Incompetent DemiurgeUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post-10315254789929716212015-02-14T14:50:59.248+13:002015-02-14T14:50:59.248+13:00looks like you and Hart are in the same camp then....looks like you and Hart are in the same camp then. me too probably, did anyone bring the marshmallows?Jonathan Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18295840754661890186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post-25922382554228533932015-02-11T14:03:28.073+13:002015-02-11T14:03:28.073+13:00I take your point about science and my doubly poor...I take your point about science and my doubly poor phrasing of my objection to ID. "Idolatry" was the wrong term. Though it still seems to me that ID is in the position of Job's comforters, trying to defend God. I am also uncomfortable with the claim that (some of) God's "intrusions" are measurable and detectable. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post-90026796301772555632015-02-10T18:03:10.935+13:002015-02-10T18:03:10.935+13:00I'm not sure ID is idolatry, if focusing on an...I'm not sure ID is idolatry, if focusing on an aspect of creation is idolatry then all science is, ID is surely just the argument that the discoveries of natural science suggest the presence of an intelligent designer. Yes the resurrection is a one off, but why shouldn't the creation of the eye be a one off as well, what i mean is that God isn't just expressing himself by creation organically bloom out of the ground of his being but does "adventitiously intrude" at opportune moments. I suspect Hart is right to say ID is a dead end because it creates a god of the gaps, i'm not sure he is right to say irreducible complexity is necessarily a sign of an incompetent creator, but then he does only couch it in probabilistic terms.Jonathan Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18295840754661890186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post-19028366865289361262015-02-10T05:33:35.373+13:002015-02-10T05:33:35.373+13:00Aren't one off events like the resurrection of...Aren't one off events like the resurrection of Jesus different in kind from the sort of "irreducible complexities" the ID people latch onto? <br /><br />Isn't ID a form of idolatry? Worshiping (or at least focusing on) an element or aspect of creation instead of the Creator...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com