tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post3109986183160933685..comments2024-03-15T20:15:34.428+13:00Comments on ξενος: Evil Angels?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post-12986292844578495002017-05-25T12:00:29.415+12:002017-05-25T12:00:29.415+12:00Hi Tim and Ali, nice to hear from you both!
Tim, ...Hi Tim and Ali, nice to hear from you both!<br /><br />Tim, the rest of the article deals with just that question, this quote is more of an aside.<br /><br />Ali, re 1 Cor 11, Of course my blog post missed out the footnotes, which shouldn't be taken as evidence Alison's arguments are unsupported. Given the influence of 1 Enoch/ Book of Watchers on the NT it seems a very plausible suggestion to me. You are also misreading to say that Martin said the law was delivered by "fallen angels", things are a bit more subtle than that! Eitherway, while not someone you would always agree with as an evangelical, Ali, Martin is a top scholar whose arguments definitely are worth hearing. <br /><br />Pax.Jonathan Robinsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18295840754661890186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post-57298342135993224382017-05-14T17:38:40.485+12:002017-05-14T17:38:40.485+12:00The above comment was by Alistair, not Paula.The above comment was by Alistair, not Paula.Alistairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237895742537708337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post-86410812225588125132017-05-14T17:38:03.357+12:002017-05-14T17:38:03.357+12:00To be honest, the first two examples given - 1 Cor...To be honest, the first two examples given - 1 Cor 11:10 and Gal 3:19 - don't bode well for the article as a whole in my mind. While I personally think a case can be made that the angels in 1 Cor 11:10 are fallen angels, I have found almost no scholars who support that view, as opposed to the "some" that Dale Martin asserts. Admittedly my resources are limited, but that assertion seems to lack care.<br /><br />Even more troubling is the attempt to make out that the angels in Gal 3:19 are fallen angels. The association of the angels with the negative effects of the Law completely misses the concept of a good Law discussed in Romans 7:7. Just because the Law produces death in wicked people does not make the Law itself bad, nor, by extension, the angels involved in it's delivery. The idea that God delivered his Holy Law through fallen angels is bizzare.<br /><br />So, the lack of care and weird conclusions in what you have quoted give me the impression of a thesis looking for something, anything to prop it up. Is it really worth the read?<br /><br />Having said that, here is my take on 1 Cor 11:10. You may accuse me of the same...<br /><br />http://kiwiandanemu.org/index.php/20-god-and-church/174-angels-watching-over-me-part-2Alistairhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04237895742537708337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6689838439428844486.post-84905953159563763612017-05-10T11:33:41.895+12:002017-05-10T11:33:41.895+12:00When is a messenger not a messenger? When they bec...When is a messenger not a messenger? When they become an invisible (semi-?)autonomous power? Tim Bulkeleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07289349880110581469noreply@blogger.com